MIDDLE KINGDOM
LETTER OF ACCEPTANCES AND RETURNS

DECEMBER 2001


This is the Middle Kingdom Letter of Acceptances and Returns for the October 2001 letters of Escutcheon and Keythong. Comments in braces {} were removed from the Letter of Intent sent to Laurel and the College of Arms. Names, devices, or badges in braces have been returned or pended; general comments or replies to commentary are also placed in braces. Thanks to Hinach ben Josef, Knute, Etienne le Couteau des Roches, Kevin Ambrozijwski, Phebe Bonadeci, Mikhail of Lubelska, Ælfreda æt Æthelwealda, Roberd mac Cormaic, and Julie Stampnitzky for their commentary this month.





1) Aidan of Aran - Device resubmission

Per bend sinister argent and sable, a martlet displayed and a boar, a bordure all counterchanged

Name reg'd 9/00

The client's first submission, "Per bend sinister argent and sable, a martlet displayed and a hog statant counterchanged," was returned along with the name by Rouge Scarpe on 1/00. The client's next submission, "Per bend sinister argent and sable, a martlet displayed and a hog statant, a bordure counterchanged," was returned by Laurel on 1/01 for redrawing.



Device commentary

Knute: The position displayed is unusual for anything other than an eagle in period. Looks clear of conflict to me.



Kevin & crew: Is martlet more distinguishable on large copy?





2) Angelline la Petita - New name & device

Per fess vert and azure, a bear statant erect contourny, a bordure embattled Or

<Angelline> is dated to 1528 in Scott, "Late Period Feminine Names from the South of France," (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ talan/latefrenchfem/) and <la Petita> is dated to 1521 in ibid. The client would like to have an authentic name that could have been found in France in the 1520s. These are Occitan forms of the name, and so would be appropriate for the southern part of France, though not the northern part.



Name commentary

Julie: The client requested a French name. This fine name is actually Occitan (the language used in Southern France).



Device commentary

Æ&M: The posture of the bear appears to be closer to statant erect than salient.





{*) Arguros Malakos - New name & device

Argent, a raven winged claw and on a chief sable three Maltese crosses argent

<Arguros> and <Malakos> are both found in the LGPN, dated to before the 6th century. However, no evidence was given and none was found by the College that two given names in the nominative is a correct Greek name construction. Barring such evidence, this name must be returned.

The device is being returned because the name was. Noting the corrections in the blazon from the blazon in the LoI, this device is registerable as is.}



Name commentary



Device commentary





{*) Dicun of York - New name & device

Per chevron azure and argent, two wake knots argent and a single-bitted axe sable, hafted proper

Unfortunately, this lovely name must be returned for conflict with Richard, Duke of York, who has his own entry in Encyclopedia Britannica. <Dicun> is a pet form of <Richard>, and thus these names are essentially indestinguishable. The conflict can be resolved by added another element, such as a patronymic or descriptive byname.

The device is being returned because the name is being returned. There are no problems with it.}



Name commentary

Hinach: I can confirm that Dicun Malebiss is in Reaney & Wilson. There is also a reference to de York as a surname in Reaney & Wilson (508).



Julie: This name conflicts with Richard, Duke of York (found in Encyclopedia Britannica). <Dicun> is a diminutive of <Richard> and conflicts with it.



Device commentary





3) Elinor Larke le Dauncer - New name {& device

Argent, two natural leopards combattant guardant azure spotted argent between in pale a mullet gules and a sun purpure.}

<Elinor> is found in Withycombe, p. 96-97, dated to 1604. <Larke> is in Reaney & Wilson s.n. Lark <Ralph Larke> dated to 1275. <le Dauncer> is found in ibid s.n. Dancer, and dated in this spelling to 1327. The client will accept dropping <Larke> if necessary, but otherwise will NOT accept MINOR changes.

{The device is being returned for redrawing (see Julie). The mullet and the sun should be roughly the same size.

To Kevin & crew: Your blazon implies that both the mullet and the sun are in chief. As this is not the case, the submitted blazon is more correct.

To Julie: I'm not sure either. The device of Genevieve de Saint-Cirq-Lapopie returned in 06/01 for having both a sun and a compass star, but since suns and mullets are considered distinct charges in period, I believe that the same problem does not occur here.}



Name commentary

Hinach: The references in Withycombe and in Reaney & Wilson check out.



Device commentary

Kevin & crew: Should the blazon read "...in chief a mullet gules and a sun purpure?" as opposed to "...between in pale a mullet.."



Julie: The two secondaries (mullet and sun) should be drawn the same size. I'm not sure if having a mullet and sun falls under the "sword and dagger" prohibition.





4) Elisabeth Fairchild - Device resubmission

Purpure, a sheep salient, on a chief embattled argent, two ermine spots sable

Name submitted on 7/01 MK ELoI

The client's previous submission, "Purpure, a sheep salient, on a chief embattled argent, three ermine spots sable," was returned by Rouge Scarpe on 7/01 for redrawing.

{To Kevin & crew: Devices are returned for redrawing, not pended: it is the client's responsibility and not Rouge Scarpe's to make sure that an adequate emblazon is submitted. However, in this case, the size of the sheep's head is negligible enough that I don't believe it's a big enough problem to be a cause for return.}



Device commentary

Kevin & crew: Device should be pended for redraw. The sheep's head needs to be bigger





5) Havenholde, Marche of - Admin action/Acceptance of transfer of badge

James Cunningham has requested that his badge, "Per pale argent and Or, a Norse H [hagall] rune gules, overall an arrow inverted sable," (reg'd 1/01) be transferred to the March of Havenholde (reg'd 1/92). The client has included a letter of acceptance.





6) Irene Elise Brabant - New name & device

Per pale Or and azure, two increscents counterchanged, on a chief triangular gules a sun Or

<Irene> is found in Dauzat, Noms et Prenoms s.n. Irène as a baptismal name based upon a series of martyred saints from the 1st, 3rd, and 7th centuries. It is also the client's modern middle name. <Elise> is found in ibid s.n. Elisée. Withycombe also lists it s.n. Elizabeth as <Élise>, a French form of Elizabeth. <Brabant> is in Dauzat, p. 62, and undated.

{To Kevin & crew: This is not a per pall field as drawn, so it should not be blazoned as such. Chiefs triangular are perfectly acceptable charges and I see no reason why we should make the client change what she has.}



Name commentary



Device commentary

Knute: Clear, including Per pall gules Or and azure, a Sun Or an increscent azure and another Or.



Kevin & crew: Device should be returned for redraw. Division needs to be changed to per pall. It should read: "Per pall gules, azure, and Or, a sun in splendor and two crescents counter changed."





7) Isabetta del Pomati - New name & device

Azure, a pomegranate slipped and leaved, a chief Or

<Isabetta> is found in "Feminine Given Names from the Online Catasto of Florence of 1427." ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/catasto/). <del Pomati> "of the apple" in Fucilla, p 86. While this surname is not dated, "Family Names Appearing in the Catasto of 1427" ( http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/catasto/newsearch/family_names.html) has <Mei> "apple," <Bruni> "plum," and <Pesce> "peach." The client cares most about having a 14th century northern Italian name and would like the name to be authentic. She will NOT accept MAJOR changes.

{The chief is large, but I don't think too large. We are sending it up to see what Wreath thinks.}



Name commentary



Device commentary

Knute: Closest was Bartolomeo Giancristoforo Agazzari: Sable, a pomegranate slipped and leaved Or seeded gules, on a chief Or three cinquefoils gules. CD field, CD addition of tertiary



Kevin & crew: Chief needs to be on diet.





8) James Cunningham - Admin action/Transfer of badge

Name reg'd 1/99

The client has requested that his badge, "Per pale argent and Or, a Norse H [hagall] rune gules, overall an arrow inverted sable," (reg'd 1/01) be transferred to the March of Havenholde, (reg'd 1/92).





{*) John Chandler - Device resubmission

Purpure, a bend cotised argent

The device is being returned for conflict with Giulia Isabella da Venezia (reg 2/98), "Counter-ermine, a bend cotised argent." There is one CD for the field.}



Device commentary

Roberd: In looking it over, I was trying to determine if this device qualifies as "simple" under X.2. If it does, according to the rules, it will not conflict with other simple armory, if the primary charge type is changed. What about the field tincture? See, here:* Giulia Isabella da Venezia * The following device associated with this name was registered in February of 1998 (via the Middle): Counter-ermine, a bend cotised argent. If I'm reading the rules right, since the bend cottised is the same, the change of field tincture nets only one CD, and this is a conflict.





9) Khalid al-Hasan - New name & device

Or, a saltire gules between four fleurs-de-lys vert

Both elements are found in Appleton, "Arabic Naming Practices and Period Names List." Originally submitted as an alternate person name for Leopold von Lothringen, but that name was returned on the December '01 MK ILoAR.



Name commentary





10) Lamorak of Dunsinane - New name & device

Per chevron sable and purpure, three decrescents argent

<Lamorak> is a character in Malory's Morte D'Arthur, p. 179, and is supported by several different sources that all cite the same fictional character. From the precedents of Jaelle (July 1996, p. 11) "Given the use in period of many names from Arthuriana, we find the use of an undocumented name of a significant character whose name appears in period Arthurian literature in this form acceptable." I am not familiar enough with the the literature to know if Lamorak can be considered a significant character, and so am forwarding this on for the review of the college. <Dunsinane> is a header in Johnson's Place Names of Scotland, p. 166, with the spelling <Dun Sinoen> dated to 970. The client wants to have an authentic name for an unspecified language/culture and will NOT accept MAJOR changes to his name. Submitted as <Lamorak A' Dunsinane>, no evidence was given and none could be found for the use of <A'> in locatives.

{To Paul: This is not a patronymic surname, but a locative.}



Name commentary

Kevin & crew: Name needs to be returned for new docs. Name not found in Withycombe, O'Corrain & Maguire, or even the God forsaken Hanks & Hodges.



Julie: I found the following precedent: "[registering Agravaine] (Agravaine Rhiwallon) Given the use in period of many names from Arthuriana, we find the use of an undocumented name of a significant character whose name appears in period Arthurian literature in this form acceptable. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR July 1996, p. 11)" Dunsinane is a place. The Columbia Encyclopedia ( http://www.bartleby.com/65/du/Dunsinan.html) says: "...westernmost of the Sidlaw Hills, 1,012 ft (308 m) high, Perth and Kinross, central Scotland. On its summit are ruins of a fort, called Macbeth's Castle; it is the traditional scene of Macbeth's final defeat as related by Shakespeare." Unless <A'> indicates a locative, it should be changed to something like <de> or <of> or simply omitted.



Device commentary





{*) Leopold von Lothringen - New name {and device - see Khalid al-Hassan.}

Unfortunately, this name conflicts with Leopold II von Hapsburg-Lothringen (see Hinach), who is found in many encyclopedias, and therefore must be returned.

Though the saltire could stand to be drawn a bit smaller, it is not enough of a problem to be redrawn. The device is being sent forward under the name Khalid al-Hassan.}



Name commentary

Hinach: Leopold is an undated reference in Bahlow and might be a modern spelling. While the Merriam-Webster Biographical Dictionary has the name going back to 900s with several Austrian rulers, it indicates that the Liutbald spelling was probably used for those listed before modern times. Lothringen is the modern Lorraine, which is sometimes French and sometimes German. ( http://www.genealogienetz.de/gene/reg/ELS-LOT/lorraine.html#gener) This may be too close to LEOPOLD II von Habsburg-Lothringen: Großherzog (grandduke) von Toskana [I] [1765-1791], Römischer Kaiser (Holy Roman Emperor) / Deutscher König (German King) [1790-1792], König (king) von Ungarn Hungary) und Böhmen (Bohemia) [1790-1792], Erzherzog (archduke) von Österreich (Austria) [1790-1792], Ritter (knight) des Ordens vom Goldenen Vlies (Order of the Golden Fleece) (Österreich) - 1755, 13 Oberhaupt (head or leader) des Ordens vom Goldenen Vlies (Order of the Golden Fleece) (Österreich) (Austria) - 1790, 11 Oberhaupt (head or leader) dem Haus Habsburg. ( http://membres.tripod.fr/clovis/habs3.htm) Holy Roman Emperors are listed in many encylopedias.



The House Habsburg-Lothingren resulted when Franz I (Franz Stephan von Lothringen, 1708-1765, Emperor from 1745-1765) married Maria Theresa of the Habsburg line. ( http://www.nhm-wien.ac.at/NHM/Mineral/Franz1e.htm) .



In effect House Habsburg-Lothingren is Lothingren with a more prominent maternal line added and LEOPOLD II von Habsburg-Lothringen might also be referred to as Otto von Lothringen.



Kevin & crew: Leopold is also found in Withycombe p.91, but no date is given



Device commentary

Knute: Closest - Gothen Kýlansson: Or, a saltire gules between four roundels azure. CD type of secondary group, CD Tincture secondary group



Kevin & crew: As for the device, shrink saltire & feed fleur-de-lys.





11) Mare Amethystinum, Shire of - New badge

Or, an open book gules

Name reg'd 10/94

A petition of support is enclosed.



Badge commentary





12) Marie Joyeux - New device

Per pale gules and sable, a phoenix between three roundels Or each charged with an annulet sable

Name reg'd 12/94



Device commentary





13) Marion Catherine - New name & device

Azure, an escallop inverted argent, a ford proper

<Marion> is dated to 1379 in Withycombe s.n. Marion.. <Catherine> is found 13 times in Mari neyn Brian's "Feminine Given Names Foudn in the 1332 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Lincolnshire, England." Reaney & Wilson s.n. Katerin have <Robert Katerine> 1286 and <Thomas Katherin> 1308 as unmarked matronyms. The client will NOT permit MINOR changes.

{To Kevin & crew: A ford proper is a base barry wavy azure and argent. If it is on a metal field, the topmost barrulet is azure, if it is on a color field, the topmost barrulet is argent. This does not conflict with Jehane Pelerine, with one CD for inverting the shell, one for changing the chief to a base, and one for the tincture of the base. It does not conflict with Boudicca Dolwyddelan with one CD for changing the chief to a base, one for changing the line of division from invected to wavy, and one for the tincture of the base.}



Name commentary

Hinach: Marion checked out in Withycombe. While Catherine is found under Katherine in Withycombe, no period date with the 'C' spelling is shown. I am able to document the desired spelling as a German given name in 1416. (Germana Sacra Hildesheim 2 (68).) Several variations as a surname, but all starting with a 'K' are found in Reaney & Wilson (260) under Katerin. A copy of the German documentation can be sent to Rouge Scarpe. An argument might be made as follows: 1) the C spelling is found in Germany

and according to the client's documentation using O'Brien in England, 2) Katherine is an English surname 3) therefore it is plausible that Marion Catherine might be acceptable as an English name.



Julie: R&W s.n. Katerin have <Robert Katerine> 1286 and <Thomas Katherin> 1308.



Device commentary

Knute: Boudicca Dolwyddelan: Azure, an escallop inverted and a chief invected argent. CD Type of secondary, CD number of secondary group (Ford considered as in base three bars wavy)



Kevin & crew: we believe device conflicts with Jehane Pelerine, Azure,a scallop shell and a chief wavy argent; Also with Boudicca Dolwyddelan, Azure, an escallop inverted and a chief invected argent. By the way, we couldn't find a ford proper in the Pic-Dic, Fox-Davies, or Brooke-Little.





14) Milica of Varna - New name {& device

Azure, four quill pens in fret and on a chief Or two mullets azure}

<Milica> is cited in The Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium s.n. Lazar dates the name to the 14th century. Ibid, p. 2153, dates Varna to the 12th century as the name of a fortress and earlier as a coastal region and river. Wickenden has Militsa dated to 1204. As this is simply a different transliteration of the same name, it reinforces the other documentation. The client would like to have an authentic 14th century Byzantine name.

My knowledge of Byzantine naming practices is limited to Bardas' articles on the SCA Heraldry website. This name does not follow any of the constructions listed in that article. Can the College help?

{The device is being returned for redrawing. These quill pens are not in fret. To be in fret, they would need to overlap farther away from the tips, and should all be facing in the same direction (e.g., quills covered by tips or vice versa, and not some of each). As drawn, this is also not quite a mascle of feathers (if it was, it would be conjoined at the tips, with no overlap).}



Name commentary

Julie: The byname <of Varna> doesn't fit the patterns of name construction described in "Personal Names of the Aristocracy in the Roman Empire during the Later Byzantine Era" ( http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/byzantine/introduction.html)



Device commentary

Knute: I would blazon this as: Azure, a mascle of four quill pens and on a chief Or two mullets azure. The feathers appear to be conjoined at the tips, not extending beyond the other feathers the way that in fret would be. Clear.



Kevin & crew: Blazon should read "...four quill pens mascle."



Æ&M: Based on blazons of devices found while conflict checking, the quill pens might be better described as "four quill pens fretted in mascle" or perhaps as "a mascle of four quill pens".



Julie: I'm not sure about the blazon- I would expect objects in fret to have more of their length extending beyond the diamond shape.





{*) Milica of Varna - New badge

[Fieldless] Four quill pens in fret Or

The device is being returned for redrawing. These quill pens are not in fret. To be in fret, they would need to overlap farther away from the tips, and should all be facing in the same direction (e.g., quills covered by tips or vice versa, and not some of each). As drawn, this is also not quite a mascle of feathers (if it was, it would be conjoined at the tips, with no overlap).}



Badge commentary

Knute: (Fieldless) A mascle of four Quill pens Or. See blazon comment for Item 14. Aislinn de Valence:

Barry dancetty azure and argent, a mascle Or. CD for fieldless. Visual conflict between a mascle Or and a mascle of four quill pens?



Kevin & crew: Blazon should read "...four quill pens mascle."



Æ&M: Based on blazons of devices found while conflict checking, the quill pens might be better described as "four quill pens fretted in mascle" or perhaps as "a mascle of four quill pens".





15) Sarra Romney of Mermaid Inn - New name {& device

Per chevron azure and ermine, a natural leopard dormant argent, a cinquefoil gules}

<Sarra>is dated to 1426 in Julian Goodwyn's "Brass Enscription Index" ( http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/brasses/women.html). <Romney> is a second header spelling in Bardsley, p. 659. No date was provided, but a map of the County of Kent done by John Speed, first published in 1610 show the town of Romney spelled the requested way. <Mermaid Inn> is in Rye, and has been in existence since 1300, with the present building having been built in about 1420. The submitter encloses a business pamphlet with this information; any help in securing better documentation for the name of this inn will be gratefully accepted. The client will not accept major changes, cares most about language and culture and is interested in registering an English (15th C) name from the County of Kent.

{The device is being returned for redrawing. The leopard is not distinguishable as drawn.}



Name commentary

Hinach: While Rye, where the Mermaid Inn is located, is near Kent, it is actually across the River. Culturally this should be close enough. More seriously, would the use of the reference to Mermaid Inn imply that she was either born there or came from family with ownership interest in the inn.



Device commentary





16) Tangwystyl verch Rhys - New name {& device

Per pale purpure and sable, a pale between a lion rampant and a dragon rampant to sinister argent}

Both <Tangwystyl> and <Rhys> are found in Tangwystyl's "Constructing 16th Century Welsh Names" ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh16.html). The construction <verch father's name. Is also found there. She cares most about having a Welsh name and wants it to be an authentic Welsh name.

{The device is being returned for redrawing; the pale is much too thin.

To Knute: There is a field division (per pale), it is just obscured by the pale which overlies the line of division.}



Name commentary



Device commentary

Knute: Is there a field division? What is it? The pale is drawn as a pallet at best. "This is being returned for a redraw. The chief is too small and resembles a very thin label. (Eckhardt zu Westfilde, 9/96 p. 14)" Precedents of Jaelle under Identifiability & Reproducibility. Return for redraw.



Kevin & crew: Feed the Pale.



Julie: The pale is much too narrow.





17) Tighearnán Dikeman - New name & device

Quarterly azure and vert, four wolves' heads caboshed Or

<Tighearnán> is the late period spelling of <Tigernan>, a header in in Ó Corráin & Maguire. Dikeman is dated to 1206 in Reaney & Wilson s.n. Dickman. The client cares most about having a byname that means "ditch-digger" or something similar. The client would like an authentic Irish name and will NOT accept MAJOR changes.

Unfortunately, since there is no evidence that a Gaelic given name would be combined with an English occupational surname, we cannot given him an authentic Irish name as requested. However, the combination is registerable.



Name commentary

Hinach: Reference to John Dikeman was found in Reaney & Wilson as claimed.



Julie: Combining a Gaelic given name with an English surname is not going to produce an authentic Irish name. Translating the byname into Gaelic wouldn't work, because this type of occupational byname is not usually found in Gaelic.



Device commentary

Knute: This appears to violate RfS XI-3, specifically this is "azure, a wolf's head cabossed Or" quartered with "vert, a wolf's head cabossed Or," but it does not: [Quarterly Or and gules, four swans counterchanged sable and argent] The device isn't marshalling, any more than the armory of Wales (Quarterly Or and gules, four lions passant guardant counterchanged) is marshalling. So long as all the charged sections of the field bear a single (identical) charge, this is considered acceptable for SCA use. (Deirdre O'Connell, August, 1992, pg. 14). Precedents Bruce under marshalling



Closest: Brianna McBain, The following badge associated with this name was registered in September of 1997 (via the East): Gules, three fox's masks Or. CD field, CD number





18) Tomaltach de Brus - New name & device

Per pale argent and purpure, a chief gyronny Or and gules

<Tomaltach> is found as a header form in Ó Corráin & Maguire, who note that "this name was particularly favored by the Connachtmen in the Middle Ages." <de Brus> is found in Black s.n. Bruce and dated to the 11th century. The client would like to have an authentic 14th century Irish name and will NOT accept MAJOR changes.

Submitted as <Tomaltach de Brus>, we have corrected the locative to the documented form. As above, this name combines an Irish Gaelic given name and a Scots surname. There is no evidence that a name would have used elements from these two cultures, but the combination is registerable as is.



Name commentary

Julie: <Brus> is a Scottish (but not Gaelic) surname derived from a placename. I don't think it would be an authentic Irish byname.



Device commentary





19) Waczlaw Rodaky - New name & device

Gules, a lion queue-fourchy maintaining a tankard, on a chief embattled Or three towers gules

Originally submitted as <Vachlav Rodacki>, the client cares most about sound and would like to have an authentic 13th century Eastern European name. I quote Paul Escutcheon for the changes: As the client has requested a period name (and permits changes), I would propose <Rodaky>, which is dated to 1472 in the Slownik Staropolskich Nazw Osobowycz (IV: 469). Ibid (VI: 84) has <Waczslaw> dated to 1305 and <Waczlaw> dated to 1390. I suggest that <Waczlaw Rodaky> would be a lovely Eastern European name.



Name commentary

Kevin & crew: While Paul is correct, and we do not argue against his research, we believe the spelling the client wants should be passed, as it will be less likely to be mispronounced.



Device commentary

Knute: The emblazon shows a chief embattled. Isabel d'Auron, the following device associated with this name was registered in May of 1997 (via Atenveldt): Gules, a tiger rampant Or marked sable maintaining in its dexter forepaw a trumpet palewise, on a chief Or three fleurs-de-lys azure. CD for tertiary group, CD for line of division using the emblazon (not the submitted blazon)



Æ&M: The chief needs to be blazoned as embattled.



Julie: The chief is embattled.





20) Valla-Lúta Kolladóttir - New name & device

Azure, a garb between three crosses bottony argent

All the elements are found in Geirr Bassi. <Valla-> is a prepositional descriptive byname meaning "Field-". <Lúta> is a feminine given name. <Kolli> is a masculine given name, which becomes <Kolladóttir> as a patronymic. The client would like to have an authentic 10th century Norwegian name.

{The client may be interested to know that in the 10th century, the Norse languages had not yet diverged. The names are found in Icelandic sagas, and the Old Norse spoken in Iceland at that time was the same West Norse that would develop into Norwegian. So these names would be appropriate for a Norse lady living in Norway, but they are not (strictly) Norwegian.

To Everyone: Paul typoed the blazon in the LoI. The garb is argent, so there is no conflict with Grosvenor.}



Name commentary



Device commentary

Knute: What are the tinctures of the charges? Grosvenor, the following device associated with this name was registered in December of 1994 (via Laurel): Azure, a garb Or. Important non-SCA arms. CD for addition of secondary, conflict if the garb is Or.



Kevin & crew: . Device needs to be pended to find out what color garb and crosses are.



Æ&M: The tincture of the garb and crosses was missing, so we were unable to determine if there is a conflict or not. If the garb is Or, there is a conflict. Grosvenor The following device associated with this name was registered in December of 1994 (via Laurel) Azure, a garb Or. Important non-SCA arms.



Julie: Tincture of charges is missing; if they should be Or, the device conflicts with Grosvenor, "Azure, a garb Or."





21) Yehuda ben Maimon - New device

Per pale Or and gules, a roundel counterchanged

Name reg'd 1/96

{This does not conflict with Vincenzo. In Yehuda's device, the primary charge is the roundel. In Vincenzo's device, the primary charge is the sword. Therefore, these do not conflict by X.2 Substantially Different Charges - "Simple armory does not conflict with other simple armory if the type of every primary charge is substantially changed."}



Device commentary

Knute: Vincenzo di Palermo, the following device associated with this name was registered in June

of 1990 (via the East): Per pale Or and gules, a sword bendwise sinister surmounted by a roundel, both per pale gules and Or. CD for the sword, otherwise identical.



Æ&M: Possible conflict. Vincenzo di Palermo The following device associated with this name was

registered in June of 1990 (via the East) Per pale Or and gules, a sword bendwise sinister surmounted by a roundel, both per pale gules and Or.





Done by my hand this 2nd day of December,

Aryanhwy merch Catmael, Rouge Scarpe

Sara L. Friedemann
150 Langdon #B2
Madison, WI 53703
sfriedemann@students.wisc.edu


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