[Mid] Re: [MK Heralds] Quartering of Arms

Fair fa ye Lord Andree:

Perhaps I did not express myself well.
My intention is to have my two sons have quartered arms (combining my arms
and my ladies arms). The eldest is to have a gold border, and the 2nd son is
to have a silver border around the arms (or shield) as I understand was the
way it was done in Scotland.
This does not mean to imply any armigerous rights would be inherited, but
merely to pay homage to their combined parentage. The right to the title
Lord is, obviously, something they would have to earn.
Considering the number of 2nd and even 3rd generations SCAers, perhaps the
quartering AND REGISTERING of parental arms is a question that needs to be
reconsidered.
My main question, however, is can my sons quarter OUR arms?

Regards,

Aonghas

May thee hae meikle feres, kennin fae,
A guid burdie, an ding a fou coggie.
Lang May Thee Lum Reek!!!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Byers <andree@mgl.ca>
To: Aonghas MacLeoid (B.G. Morris) <hylndr@ionline.net>;
mk-heralds@dnaco.net <mk-heralds@dnaco.net>
Date: Friday, January 02, 1998 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MK Heralds] Quartering of Arms

>
>
>Aonghas MacLeoid (B.G. Morris) wrote:
>
>> ------------------------------------------
>> This message is coming to mk-heralds from
>> "Aonghas MacLeoid (B.G. Morris)" <hylndr@ionline.net>
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>>
>> Fair fa ye Heralds:
>>
>> When I first joined the SCA, quartering of arms was forbidden. Is it
still
>> forbidden??
>> My lady and I are married, with children. My arms passed as did my
lady's.
>> My children have been active in the SCA for quite a while now, with three
of
>> them receiving Dragons Treasures.
>> If my children wish to register arms, why can't they quarter the arms of
me
>> and my lady??
>>
>
> Well good sir, they may quarter and bear them (as anyone may draw
anything and
>bear it) without registering it as a separate coat of arms. Marshalling is
>considered presumptuous within the SCA as defined in the Middle Kingdom
>Pursuivants Handbook, pg 143 (Part xi, 3).
> In a nutshell, everyone is expeted to earn the merits of bearing arms
as
>individuals and allowing marshalling would imply you could become
armigerous by
>our rules through inheritance. (My personal view of the ruling). I have
seen
>couples and such create a quartered escutcheon and fly that, most others
>understanding the significance, but the College of Arms can't register that
sort
>of thing. There is no danger of either your or your wife's arms being
usurped
>because they are registered, so they would likely never encounter anything
>closely similar anyhow.
>
> Your Servant,
> Andree mac Byrne, esq.
> Green Mantle
>

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